tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15485481.post115720833308601352..comments2024-03-07T19:16:51.653+01:00Comments on madangopal: Prema Vilāsaadvaitadashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11562361400492002096noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15485481.post-1157573421880479282006-09-06T22:10:00.000+02:002006-09-06T22:10:00.000+02:00The version of the Gosvamis is to be accepted as i...The version of the Gosvamis is to be accepted as irrefutable.advaitadashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11562361400492002096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15485481.post-1157562939763562322006-09-06T19:15:00.000+02:002006-09-06T19:15:00.000+02:00Advaitadasji: "historical and theological facts ca...Advaitadasji: "historical and theological facts can help us out for the most part."<BR/><BR/>But was not the question how to determine those facts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15485481.post-1157451447980178552006-09-05T12:17:00.000+02:002006-09-05T12:17:00.000+02:00Myrla: "I mean where does the author reference, ba...Myrla: "I mean where does the author reference, base, support, cross reference such historical narratives?"<BR/><BR/>Often they are eye-witnesses, intimately related with the narrative's hero(es).<BR/><BR/>"But if you have 2 books on a certain topic like what the Prema Vilas has touched, who should be the arbiter of its authoritativeness or at least being of sound foundation?"<BR/><BR/>Some things are historically impossible like Krishnadās Kavirāja dying in front of Raghunāth dās gosvāmī, or are theologically impossible, like Yadunandanācārya being the menial servant of his own disciple Raghunāth dās gosvāmī. Common sense, historical and theological facts can help us out for the most part. Another important thing to remember is that these books used to be hand-copied and in this way errors may have crept in, or deliberate changes. The latter are known as praksipta kathā or interpolations. most of them can easily be detected for the abovementioned reasons.<BR/><BR/>"I also hope to meet in person devotees that speak via the internet."<BR/><BR/>By Rādhārānī's grace alone we may meet.<BR/><BR/>"So long as we do not speak ill of each others’ Gurus then we should all be friends"<BR/><BR/>Right on.advaitadashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11562361400492002096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15485481.post-1157449177818242982006-09-05T11:39:00.000+02:002006-09-05T11:39:00.000+02:00Radhe RadheI am not well read in the historical a...Radhe Radhe<BR/><BR/>I am not well read in the historical aspects of the Gaudiya Vaishnava world. I am more interested in the philosophical or theological side of the science, which maybe bad, I do not know. But my question is: how does a devotee get to write those historical narratives. I mean where does the author reference, base, support, cross reference such historical narratives? <BR/><BR/> In the Christian world, because they have the money, historical writings are based among other things from archeological finds, artifacts, and ancient texts . I was recently reading in the National Geographic magazine about the Judas Gospel, the latest discovery (1974) which was restored and translated from 2001-2006 using computer technology that was said to shed light on the Gnostics and radically reinterpret Judas’ betrayal of Jesus.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for the points I raise here. But maybe Rosen or Jagadananda or even you Adavaita das can educate me re this topic. I suppose there are departments of Indology or Eastern Religion in some institutions that study these things.But of course, they do not have the devotional spirit. But if you have 2 books on a certain topic like what the Prema Vilas has touched, who should be the arbiter of its authoritativeness or at least being of sound foundation?<BR/><BR/>Or should I just keep to the fundamentals of the theology and the siddhanta and just breeze through the history. Sorry, to show that my mind is so crazy. But be happy, be very happy that I will be in the Vraja area on 21 Oct – 31 Oct because I will finally seek mercy and hopefully become serious in my spiritual life. I also hope to meet in person devotees that speak via the internet. My principle is : so long as we do not speak ill of each others’ Gurus then we should all be friends.<BR/><BR/>Anyone has ideas on the points I raise? ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15485481.post-1157254180667002522006-09-03T05:29:00.000+02:002006-09-03T05:29:00.000+02:00The Prema-vilas does seem to be a troublesome text...The Prema-vilas does seem to be a troublesome text. I believe that Steven Rosen (in his book 'Lives of the Vaishnava Saints') also noted that it contradicts other well-known sources on certain details. It is a mystery why this happened."Gaurasundara das"https://www.blogger.com/profile/07087771778883046020noreply@blogger.com